http://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&feed=atom&action=historyTetrahydropyridine - Revision history2024-03-28T20:53:47ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0http://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15424&oldid=prevDanABA: /* Detection Methods */2023-12-16T07:50:51Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Detection Methods</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer.  For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice.  The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS.  Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R.  2001.]</ref>.  It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer.  For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice.  The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS.  Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R.  2001.]</ref>.  It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>.  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>2-acetyl pyrroline (abbreviated: APY, ACPY, or AP) is a more volatile but more potent form of THP.  It has a significantly stronger odor and lower odor threshold in wine than ATHP.  It can also be found in damp pearl millet, toasted bread, taco shells, tortilla chips, boiled potatoes, cooked sweet corn products, roasted sesame seeds, pan-fired green teas, cured tobacco leaves, peanut and pumpkin seed oils, honey, several soy-based products, and more aromatic rice such as Indian Basmati, as well as many other foods.  APY has also been detected in a pale lager beer from Bavaria <ref>[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01190873 Primary odorants of pale lager beer.  Peter Schieberle.  1991.]</ref>.  APY from microbial metabolism is primarily produced by heterofermentative LAB (see [[Tetrahydropyridine#Lactic_Acid_Bacteria|below]]).  In food, APY formation is due to cooking and thought to be associated with Maillard reactions, and its presence ages out quickly in food.  For example, Schieberle (1989) showed that heating up yeast and sucrose produced APY, simulating how APY could be produced during baking bread <ref><[https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025 Formation of 2-Acetyl-l-pyrroline and Other Important Flavor Compounds in Wheat Bread Crust.  Peter Schieberle.  1989.  DOI: 10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025.]</ref>.  It is extremely volatile; so much so that the food industry has created powdered forms of APY to increase the flavor stability of some foods associated with it.  Some plants such as rice crops, Pandan leaves (''Pandanus amaryllifolius''), "bread flowers" (''Vallaris glabra''), Myabi muskmelon fruit, chempedak fruit and jackfruit contain varying levels of APY naturally <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_1996" /><ref name="Adams_2005">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cr040097y Chemistry of 2-Acetyl-1-pyrroline, 6-Acetyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydropyridine, 2-Acetyl-2-thiazoline, and 5-Acetyl-2,3-dihydro-4H-thiazine: Extraordinary Maillard Flavor Compounds.  An Adams and Norbert De Kimpe.  2005.]</ref>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>2-acetyl pyrroline (abbreviated: APY, ACPY, or AP) is a more volatile but more potent form of THP.  It has a significantly stronger odor and lower odor threshold in wine than ATHP.  It can also be found in damp pearl millet, toasted bread, taco shells, tortilla chips, boiled potatoes, cooked sweet corn products, roasted sesame seeds, pan-fired green teas, cured tobacco leaves, peanut and pumpkin seed oils, honey, several soy-based products, and more aromatic rice such as Indian Basmati, as well as many other foods.  APY has also been detected in a pale lager beer from Bavaria <ref>[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01190873 Primary odorants of pale lager beer.  Peter Schieberle.  1991.]</ref>.  APY from microbial metabolism is primarily produced by heterofermentative LAB (see [[Tetrahydropyridine#Lactic_Acid_Bacteria|below]]).  In food, APY formation is due to cooking and thought to be associated with Maillard reactions, and its presence ages out quickly in food.  For example, Schieberle (1989) showed that heating up yeast and sucrose produced APY, simulating how APY could be produced during baking bread <ref><[https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025 Formation of 2-Acetyl-l-pyrroline and Other Important Flavor Compounds in Wheat Bread Crust.  Peter Schieberle.  1989.  DOI: 10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025.]</ref>.  It is extremely volatile; so much so that the food industry has created powdered forms of APY to increase the flavor stability of some foods associated with it.  Some plants such as rice crops, Pandan leaves (''Pandanus amaryllifolius''), "bread flowers" (''Vallaris glabra''), Myabi muskmelon fruit, chempedak fruit and jackfruit contain varying levels of APY naturally <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_1996" /><ref name="Adams_2005">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cr040097y Chemistry of 2-Acetyl-1-pyrroline, 6-Acetyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydropyridine, 2-Acetyl-2-thiazoline, and 5-Acetyl-2,3-dihydro-4H-thiazine: Extraordinary Maillard Flavor Compounds.  An Adams and Norbert De Kimpe.  2005<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">.]</ref><ref>[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1672630823001105 Abiotic and Biotic Factors Controlling Grain Aroma along the Value Chain of Fragrant Rice: A Review. Ayut Kongpun, Tonapha Pusadee, Pennapa Jaksomsak, Kawiporn chinachanta, Patcharin Tuiwong, Phukjira Chan-In, Sawika Konsaeng, Wasu Pathom-Aree, Suchila Utasee, Benjamapohn Wangkaew, Chanakan Prom-U-Thai. Rice Science. 2023. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rsci.2023.11.004</ins>.]</ref>.</div></td></tr>
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</table>DanABAhttp://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15288&oldid=prevDanABA: /* Detection Methods */2023-06-11T00:19:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Detection Methods</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer.  For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice.  The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS.  Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R.  2001.]</ref>.  It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>. The effectiveness of these methods in beer has not been reported to our knowledge (please report any research or anecdotes in the [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/ MTF Facebook group]).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer.  For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice.  The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS.  Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R.  2001.]</ref>.  It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>.  </div></td></tr>
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</table>DanABAhttp://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15287&oldid=prevDanABA: update to Detection Methods2023-06-11T00:18:02Z<p>update to Detection Methods</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer.  For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice.  The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS.  Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R.  2001.]</ref>.  It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. </ins>Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>. The effectiveness of these methods in beer has not been reported to our knowledge (please report any research or anecdotes in the [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/ MTF Facebook group]).</div></td></tr>
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</table>DanABAhttp://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15282&oldid=prevDanABA: /* Production */2023-05-27T02:38:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Production</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Moulis et al. (2023) studied THP production by 22 strains of ''Brettanomyces bruxellensis'', 20 strains of ''Oenococcus oeni'' and 10 strains of ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'' (formerly classified as ''Lactobacillus hilgardii''), all of which have been reported to produce THP compounds. They found that all strains could produce ATHP, but not all strains could produce ETHP or APY. This variability was determined mostly by species, but also by strain. for example, all of the 22 ''B. bruxellensis'' strains only produced ATHP and ETHP and not APY. Variability between strains was less pronounced for the species ''L. hilgardii'' compared to the ''B. bruxellensis'' and ''O. oeni'' strains (different strains of ''B. bruxellensis'', for example, produced much different levels of ATHP/ETHP, where as every strain of ''L. hilgardii'' produced relatively the same amount of APY). The researchers also noted that repeatability of THP levels was difficult to achieve, and they owed this to unknown variables such as the physiological state of the cells at time of inoculation into the test media. Interestingly, there was no correlation between strain genealogy and how much THP they produced. The researchers also isolated other species from 25 French wines with mouse taint, including 'S. cerevisiae'', ''Pichia manshurica'', ''Priceomyces carsonii'', ''Pediococcus parvulus'', but none of these strains produced THP in the test growth media <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Moulis et al. (2023) studied THP production by 22 strains of ''Brettanomyces bruxellensis'', 20 strains of ''Oenococcus oeni'' and 10 strains of ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'' (formerly classified as ''Lactobacillus hilgardii''), all of which have been reported to produce THP compounds. They found that all strains could produce ATHP, but not all strains could produce ETHP or APY. This variability was determined mostly by species, but also by strain. for example, all of the 22 ''B. bruxellensis'' strains only produced ATHP and ETHP and not APY. Variability between strains was less pronounced for the species ''L. hilgardii'' compared to the ''B. bruxellensis'' and ''O. oeni'' strains (different strains of ''B. bruxellensis'', for example, produced much different levels of ATHP/ETHP, where as every strain of ''L. hilgardii'' produced relatively the same amount of APY). The researchers also noted that repeatability of THP levels was difficult to achieve, and they owed this to unknown variables such as the physiological state of the cells at time of inoculation into the test media. Interestingly, there was no correlation between strain genealogy and how much THP they produced. The researchers also isolated other species from 25 French wines with mouse taint, including <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'</ins>'S. cerevisiae'', ''Pichia manshurica'', ''Priceomyces carsonii'', ''Pediococcus parvulus'', but none of these strains produced THP in the test growth media <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>All species of ''[[Brettanomyces]]'' can produce forms of tetrahydropyridine in varying amounts, although some below threshold.  Additionally, Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) including ''[[Lactobacillus]]'' and ''[[Pediococcus]]'' can produce forms of THP.  Acetic Acid Bactera (AAB) has also been demonstrated to produce forms of THP <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_2000" />.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">It is thought that THP in mousy wines/beers is mostly produced by microorganisms. </ins>All species of ''[[Brettanomyces]]'' can produce forms of tetrahydropyridine in varying amounts, although some below threshold.  Additionally, Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) including ''[[Lactobacillus]]'' and ''[[Pediococcus]]'' can produce forms of THP.  Acetic Acid Bactera (AAB) has also been demonstrated to produce forms of THP <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_2000" />.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The production of ATHP is not efficient, meaning that the amount of ATHP produced is not proportional to the amount of L-lysine consumed.  Therefore, the production of ATHP appears to be a byproduct (secondary metabolite) of L-lysine catabolism <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.  ATHP is further metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'', although not much is known about this metabolic process <ref>[http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/repositoryfiles/Joseph_5_Aromatic_Diverswity_of_Brettanomyces-82350.ppt Joseph, C.M. Lucy.  ''Aromatic Diversity of Brettanomyces''.  U.C. Davis.  Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref><ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.  ETHP has a significantly higher taste threshold, and is often not detected in contaminated wine <ref name="Oelofse"></ref>.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The production of ATHP is not efficient, meaning that the amount of ATHP produced is not proportional to the amount of L-lysine consumed.  Therefore, the production of ATHP appears to be a byproduct (secondary metabolite) of L-lysine catabolism <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.  ATHP is further metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'', although not much is known about this metabolic process <ref>[http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/repositoryfiles/Joseph_5_Aromatic_Diverswity_of_Brettanomyces-82350.ppt Joseph, C.M. Lucy.  ''Aromatic Diversity of Brettanomyces''.  U.C. Davis.  Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref><ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.  ETHP has a significantly higher taste threshold, and is often not detected in contaminated wine <ref name="Oelofse"></ref>.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although ''Brettanomyces'' is capable of producing APY from L-ornithine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, the amount produced is much less than that of LAB and high amounts of L-ornithine are required.  In wine, there isn't enough L-ornithine present to production significant amounts of APY from L-ornithine.  Therefore, the presence of APY (which is much easier to detect aromatically than ATHP) indicates a bacterial contamination in wine (it is unknown if this applies to beer) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although ''Brettanomyces'' is capable of producing APY from L-ornithine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, the amount produced is much less than that of LAB and high amounts of L-ornithine are required.  In wine, there isn't enough L-ornithine present to production significant amounts of APY from L-ornithine.  Therefore, the presence of APY (which is much easier to detect aromatically than ATHP) indicates a bacterial contamination in wine (it is unknown if this applies to beer) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">>. Additionally, Moulis et al. (2023) found that out of 25 French wines with THP, only 20% of them had ''B. bruxellensis'' in them, indicating that THP is mostly produced by bacteria or chemically in wine <ref name="Moulis_2023" /</ins>>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The presence of the "mousy off-flavor" caused by forms of THP appears to be temporary in beer.  Although not much is known about the degradation or metabolic breakdown of ATHP/ETHP, it tends to age out of beer after 2-6 months.  Since the odor/taste threshold for ETHP is much higher than ATHP, and ATHP appears to be metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'' over time, this may be one of the mechanisms by which the mousy off-flavor ages out of beer.  The possibility of ETHP breakdown is not mentioned in any studies that we know of, although Moulis et al. (2023) reported that for organisms that produced ETHP, there was always a 1:10 ratio between ETHP/ATHP or ETHP/APY, suggesting that this ratio might be governed by the chemistry of the media used and/or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential reduction potential] <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  Another unknown is why does ''Brettanomyces'' produce ATHP shortly after kegging and force carbonating a beer that has reached final gravity.  The most likely cause is oxygen pick up during the kegging process.  Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The presence of the "mousy off-flavor" caused by forms of THP appears to be temporary in beer.  Although not much is known about the degradation or metabolic breakdown of ATHP/ETHP, it tends to age out of beer after 2-6 months.  Since the odor/taste threshold for ETHP is much higher than ATHP, and ATHP appears to be metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'' over time, this may be one of the mechanisms by which the mousy off-flavor ages out of beer.  The possibility of ETHP breakdown is not mentioned in any studies that we know of, although Moulis et al. (2023) reported that for organisms that produced ETHP, there was always a 1:10 ratio between ETHP/ATHP or ETHP/APY, suggesting that this ratio might be governed by the chemistry of the media used and/or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential reduction potential] <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  Another unknown is why does ''Brettanomyces'' produce ATHP shortly after kegging and force carbonating a beer that has reached final gravity.  The most likely cause is oxygen pick up during the kegging process.  Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''.</div></td></tr>
</table>DanABAhttp://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15279&oldid=prevDanABA: /* Production */2023-05-20T04:22:18Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Production</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Moulis et al. (2023) studied THP production by 22 strains of ''Brettanomyces bruxellensis'', 20 strains of ''Oenococcus oeni'' and 10 strains of ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'' (formerly classified as ''Lactobacillus hilgardii''), all of which have been reported to produce THP compounds. They found that all strains could produce ATHP, but not all strains could produce ETHP or APY. This variability was determined mostly by species, but also by strain. for example, all of the 22 ''B. bruxellensis'' strains only produced ATHP and ETHP and not APY. Variability between strains was less pronounced for the species ''L. hilgardii'' compared to the ''B. bruxellensis'' and ''O. oeni'' strains (different strains of ''B. bruxellensis'', for example, produced much different levels of ATHP/ETHP, where as every strain of ''L. hilgardii'' produced relatively the same amount of APY). The researchers also noted that repeatability of THP levels was difficult to achieve, and they owed this to unknown variables such as the physiological state of the cells at time of inoculation into the test media. Interestingly, there was no correlation between strain genealogy and how much THP they produced<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. They also reported that for organisms that produced ETHP, there was always a 1:10 ratio between ETHP/ATHP or ETHP/APY, suggesting that there might be governed by the chemistry of the media used and/or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential reduction potential] </del><ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Moulis et al. (2023) studied THP production by 22 strains of ''Brettanomyces bruxellensis'', 20 strains of ''Oenococcus oeni'' and 10 strains of ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'' (formerly classified as ''Lactobacillus hilgardii''), all of which have been reported to produce THP compounds. They found that all strains could produce ATHP, but not all strains could produce ETHP or APY. This variability was determined mostly by species, but also by strain. for example, all of the 22 ''B. bruxellensis'' strains only produced ATHP and ETHP and not APY. Variability between strains was less pronounced for the species ''L. hilgardii'' compared to the ''B. bruxellensis'' and ''O. oeni'' strains (different strains of ''B. bruxellensis'', for example, produced much different levels of ATHP/ETHP, where as every strain of ''L. hilgardii'' produced relatively the same amount of APY). The researchers also noted that repeatability of THP levels was difficult to achieve, and they owed this to unknown variables such as the physiological state of the cells at time of inoculation into the test media. Interestingly, there was no correlation between strain genealogy and how much THP they produced <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.  </div></td></tr>
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</table>DanABAhttp://www.milkthefunk.com/w/index.php?title=Tetrahydropyridine&diff=15278&oldid=prevDanABA at 04:21, 20 May 20232023-05-20T04:21:10Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although ''Brettanomyces'' is capable of producing APY from L-ornithine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, the amount produced is much less than that of LAB and high amounts of L-ornithine are required.  In wine, there isn't enough L-ornithine present to production significant amounts of APY from L-ornithine.  Therefore, the presence of APY (which is much easier to detect aromatically than ATHP) indicates a bacterial contamination in wine (it is unknown if this applies to beer) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although ''Brettanomyces'' is capable of producing APY from L-ornithine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, the amount produced is much less than that of LAB and high amounts of L-ornithine are required.  In wine, there isn't enough L-ornithine present to production significant amounts of APY from L-ornithine.  Therefore, the presence of APY (which is much easier to detect aromatically than ATHP) indicates a bacterial contamination in wine (it is unknown if this applies to beer) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The presence of the "mousy off-flavor" caused by forms of THP appears to be temporary in beer.  Although not much is known about the degradation or metabolic breakdown of ATHP/ETHP, it tends to age out of beer after 2-6 months.  Since the odor/taste threshold for ETHP is much higher than ATHP, and ATHP appears to be metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'' over time, this may be one of the mechanisms by which the mousy off-flavor ages out of beer.  The possibility of ETHP breakdown is not mentioned in any studies that we know of.  Another unknown is why does ''Brettanomyces'' produce ATHP shortly after kegging and force carbonating a beer that has reached final gravity.  The most likely cause is oxygen pick up during the kegging process.  Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The presence of the "mousy off-flavor" caused by forms of THP appears to be temporary in beer.  Although not much is known about the degradation or metabolic breakdown of ATHP/ETHP, it tends to age out of beer after 2-6 months.  Since the odor/taste threshold for ETHP is much higher than ATHP, and ATHP appears to be metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'' over time, this may be one of the mechanisms by which the mousy off-flavor ages out of beer.  The possibility of ETHP breakdown is not mentioned in any studies that we know of<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, although Moulis et al. (2023) reported that for organisms that produced ETHP, there was always a 1:10 ratio between ETHP/ATHP or ETHP/APY, suggesting that this ratio might be governed by the chemistry of the media used and/or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential reduction potential] <ref name="Moulis_2023" /></ins>.  Another unknown is why does ''Brettanomyces'' produce ATHP shortly after kegging and force carbonating a beer that has reached final gravity.  The most likely cause is oxygen pick up during the kegging process.  Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''.</div></td></tr>
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